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Reincarnation and Bashing Help

DriannaDrianna Posts: 1Member
edited January 2015 in General Questions
Greetings everyone. Im a new knight and ive decided i want to focus a lot of my time on bashing, hopefully becoming a dragon at some point. Wehn creating my character i chose atavian just because it looked cool at first, but also because it said the race was not permanent. I have been reading a bit on forums and there seems to be a consensus on some things regarding bashing, which make it clear that atavian isnt an optimal race for a fulltime basher. Im looking for something optimal, i can adjust my RP if so needed.

So, a few points I think i understood are:
  • More crits is better: more dmg, things die faster.
  • More attacks means higher chance for crits, so again better.
  • Faster attacks means more dmg/crits so it is usually better.
  • Higher strength means things  die faster.
  • Survivability is important: sipping + higher health + damage reduction help.
Now, I know many of these things can be achieved or further enhanced with artifacts. I might invest in them at some point, but for quite some time im probably gonna depend on what i find to buy and my race/class. So my question is mainly how can I cover most of these things as a knight (infernal now but probably change to runewarden) and with which race. To elaborate, it seems humans are optimal: provide some of these good bashing bonuses, and it can be tweaked with race specialization and traits perhaps even further (better sip/health/strength, nimble, lucky?). They could become even better with ring, pendant and such artifacts i think, and focus on strength could help with knight tankiness. But what if i chose dwarf with strength spec, or xoran with str/con spec? Could that be better? As a knight, also, dual blunt and dual cutting seem to be better because of two attacks vs one of the other specs, so more crit chances. And what about weapon choice? Slower weapon with more dmg or faster with lower but more attacks/crits again? 

 Any help to get me started will be appriaciated! 
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  • TherisTheris Posts: 76Member ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Some thoughts from me (though I know little about knights):
    • Human is good for bashing, because of the crit bonus. However, in terms of maximum optimization of stats, you may be better off picking a race that has lower dex or int in favor of con or str. You don't need to be thinky or dodgy, you just need to be smashy. Thus, troll/dwarf/xoran might be better. However, crits become a really big deal at higher levels, and I'm not sure of the extent to which the human racial trait amplifies that.
    • I generally hear people saying you should choose the constitution race specialization. Strength has diminishing returns in terms of damage scaling as you increase it past 12, while con doesn't in terms of health. You don't want to have to run much, and you really don't want to die much, if you're going for dragon. That being said, it's much less expensive to buy artefacts to improve defence than it is to buy artefacts that will improve your offence for bashing, so consider that if you do plan to buy those.
    • You may want to be cautious about which weapon specialization you choose. You'll probably hear that dual blunt turns you into a denizen-smashing monster, but given that weapon stats were recently normalized, and the admin have been trying to balance bashing between classes lately, we can probably expect some upcoming changes that will even out the bashing DPS for the different specializations, at least a little. If this does happen, you'll probably want to choose whichever specialization allows you to attack the fastest. With DPS held constant, as you pointed out, faster attacks and double-attacks are preferable because they give you more crit opportunities, but they also give you more opportunity to disengage if you get in over your head. Keep in mind, that sword and board lets you do double-attacks, too, and on top of that you get the tankiness of a shield (and the potential to use a shield of absorption, which is great for bashing), although I don't know how its damage stacks up to other specializations.
    • You definitely want nimble, and probably lucky too, as traits. For your final major trait, I'd recommend either robust (+1 con) or receptive body (+5% health sips).
    Drianna
  • SenaSena Posts: 3,808Member @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Theris said:
    Human is good for bashing, because of the crit bonus. However, in terms of maximum optimization of stats, you may be better off picking a race that has lower dex or int in favor of con or str. You don't need to be thinky or dodgy, you just need to be smashy. Thus, troll/dwarf/xoran might be better. However, crits become a really big deal at higher levels, and I'm not sure of the extent to which the human racial trait amplifies that.
    Just looking at average damage, +1 str is always better than the human crit bonus. Without arties (specifically str gauntlet and crit pendant) and a high level (>90), +1 strength is a lot better.

    Theris said:
    You definitely want nimble, and probably lucky too, as traits. For your final major trait, I'd recommend either robust (+1 con) or receptive body (+5% health sips).
    For bashing (since denizen damage doesn't scale with max health), you should always pick robust over receptive body. The extra con will usually increase your sip by more than 5% anyways.
    TherisDrianna
  • DriannaDrianna Posts: 1Member
    Thank you all for the info! I'll stick with the shortsword then for now and hopefully some good data on specs and changes will be up soon. I'll just have to lose 100 lessons only for changing spec though, so unless I buy any of those expensive artifacts until then (which i prolly wont, defensive ones seem better!) i should be fine...
    Utianima
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