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If you do something just because people say "that's the way it is," you should go back to playing childrens' games that teach critical thinking, like Putt-Putt Goes To The Moon.
Secondly, the bolded are not 'exploits' nor are they 'half against the rules' - Neither is against the rules at all, so long as you're actually at the keyboard and controlling your character. If you know someone isn't actually paying attention then you should ISSUE ME and let admin deal with it, not just assume they're miraculously allowed to do it.
To go with the above, the bolded also aren't abusing anything except their ability to code. They are not breaking any rules (unless they fall into the already established category). People who knowingly abuse(d) the bug with ship trades, on the other hand, are (were).
As have been stated a large number of times already: If you think the payout is too high/frequent, then it's probably something you should report so the admin can look into it. Bug or not is irrelevant; see my previous post. The game does, after all, have an economy that needs to be kept in check. Quit with this victim crap.
This was in regards to a bug in which tarot users could force people to follow off EQ if they were following someone who was being empressed. Some people were outraged bla bla and Nimby replied as follows:
Just because the administration has not yet declared it a bug as such, being able to follow off eq through means of magical summon while not being able to follow normally while off eq means it -is- a fault in game mechanics.
This addresses two things. Firstly, I was playing when this person exploited the above mentioned bug with the skull, they triggered to hand the skull over and left their client running for hours at a time. The person got shrubbed sure, but at the time admin did not remove the gold from the system or undo the damage done. At the time, credits were going for between 3000-4000 gold, thanks to this person, the credit prices rocketed up to 6000 gold and nothing was done to rectify that. Do not ever, for one moment, imagine that doing this sort of shit doesn't hurt anybody.
Secondly... well I suppose that second paragraph kind of speaks for itself. If you even begin to suspect that something may be off and there might be some sort of loophole in the mechanics, stop doing it.
That could have put a real dent in my savings fund.
....before hiding from Maka's fury.
Another one done!
@Cooper was wrong about it being monthly promos, it was bug exploits all along!
The key point is the Admin couldn't have been that oblivious to this, and therefore I think its very much a poor effort to treat all players like criminals when the gold logs (which I believe the admins have) clearly indicate this has been going on for some time. At best I consider this to be one of those 50/50 things where you could argue that its a bug, but its also such a glaring bug that systems ought to have caught it.
I'm not shouting about being a victim because I'm not but I'll reiterate the 'key' point is that I have seen some very positive interactions in seafaring and I think all people on the sea in Achaea will probably agree that this should be considered to be a positive and maybe the Admin need to take the opportunity to see what worked well during this 'episode' and what can be salvaged from it to keep things productive. The best thing that could come from this is a new thread from all the people that might have taken part in this to say 'what would be cool for seafaring' to keep this moving in the right direction and try and bring player input back into something that (without the gold rush) isn't -that- engaging. The problem has happened it is done with and the decision on the amnesty made but to say this has been an entirely negative thing for the game I think is a bit naive - there is a LOT that can be salvaged from this.
My point about the auto-harvesting and such .. yeah, I'm going to sit there and issue myself everytime I suspect someone is doing it. Thats going to go down very well isn't it. The point being we all know people do it, its very hard to spot and catch (from the admin side and the player side) and they aren't always lucid and that is against terms of service (most of us are capable of having our computer play a beep when we receive a tell or something). All I was getting at, you can have a film on and auto-harvest but you cannot have a film on an auto-sail (at least I don't know anyone that can) so it is full time attentive screen looking. I did say that I felt turning around to someone and saying 12, 14, 16 hours of doing that is all gone is a little harsh - thats all, and I can understand why THOSE players may feel aggrieved (again I am not one).
Everyone will move on though.
This does not demonstrate that same awareness.
I'm hard-pressed to find an explanation as to why they imagined that this was not questionable or why they imagined they were entitled to such an unrealistically lucrative form of income. So zero sympathy.
ETA: I have failed my Asian heritage, I can't even add the right number of zeroes to 10 million *seppuku*
You're also going to be EXTREMELY hard pressed to find someone able to make that much gold per day from bashing, so yeah your comparison is horribly flawed. Ship trade gold circumvented the gold throttle, and there's already a fairly low (by comparison) daily limit you can make from harvesting, since there's only so much you can harvest. Good luck making a comparable profit anytime soon with how many people are already selling curatives dirt cheap.
Also yeah, reporting those people will go down well. Admin have ways of telling if people are autobashing without pinging them. It's not hard at all, all it takes is a short period of observation.
My peak speed, assuming I'm going all-out but don't have ahmetite/Braid, is around 90k an hour, maybe a little higher or lower depending on variation. I rarely am going that fast though (it also requires clean runs and nobody interrupting me or half-bashing an area), and on top of that the softcap will hit at 160k. 625k an hour with no cap in sight is absurd.
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where did justice go?
If it's been abused for the past year or more, we -really- need to look at the gold cap for bashing and remove it or double it. It is extremely like that people on ships generating massive amounts of gold had just as much of an effect on the credit market as bashers did.
With the amount of gold I've earned and spent on credits, if the ship trades even made it 1k more expensive per credit then I am personally out hundreds and hundreds of credits because of someone else's bug abuse.
Keep in mind credits went from an average of 5.5-6.3k in January of 2016 to an average of 11.5k in April 2017. This would almost perfectly fit the timeline of this bug.
This needs to be looked at for much longer than the last day, and punishments need to be much larger than 'oh sorry you can't have the gold you abused a bug for anymore'. If it turns out this was highly abused for longer than a day, then other people affected by this in terms of higher priced credits or other goods need to be compensated.
For people who aren't part of it I fully understand your complaints and feelings about the people who were and the consequences it has had on your gaming. However, I think there is a need for those people to understand too that this isn't something that was being banded around on IRC or a Skype chat somewhere with whispers in shadows - Far from it.
I've seen this openly discussed -in game- on IC clans which some of the people on here criticising comments like mine have been part of (I've no idea if they saw those comments or not, or indeed issued on seeing them - but they have appeared several times over). Luck may suggest they have missed them, but the point being I'm not entirely sure this was a very hush bug at all and it certainly involves players you'd consider 'senior' as well as newer players like myself.
Its easy for people to point fingers now and say 'you guys did a bad thing' as I've said - I'm new to Achaea (I come from another IRE game) and it just seemed to be a known thing, I mean pretty much as soon as we got a ship. The extent to how many people were exploiting this is far larger than people who will speak up - because nobody want to be labelled as 'a bad guy', hence the reaction from the Admin.
Man did I enjoy my reward. Made me a lot less bummed about the cheaters not getting banned.
We might get lucky still, perhaps they are planning something cool for the people who didn't jump on the band wagon.
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But even if you only make a "reasonable" profit off of it (say, $2500/year, rather than $2.5M/year)... and even if "Everyone around me is insider trading, too!! *waah!*"... your money was made just as illicitly.