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Knight and Parry - a bit of brainstorming

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  • WessuxWessux ChattanoogaMember Posts: 510 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Shecks said:



    Runewardens (artied) are already one of the only classes I actually have to worry about dying to 1v1.

    The only differences between artied and unartied runewardens are the fact they are much tankier, and they need less pre-damage on their disembowel. (This is assuming no soulpiercers.) As a serpent I have no idea why the tankyness would bother you and the predamage, depending on the runewardens ability to stack venoms, usually doesn't matter anyway.
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  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    edited February 2014

    10,000 damage spikes, with engage, is a little intense.  If I didn't have the sceptre of aqueous mastery and evade, I don't know if I'd be able to survive an artied thurisaz/hugalaz/prefarar dsl combo.  I'd certainly have to run every single time it was initiated, at the very least.  By no means do I think that damage stacking is "OP", but it's an option that most classes don't have, that does tend to work a lot more often than it should.

    Furthermore, I think too many people downplay limb setups from knights.  They are nowhere near as impotent as you'd like us to believe.  And the trick to beating parry isn't more abilities, it's paying attention to your opponents' parrying strategy, and countering it properly (instead of ignoring it and spamming your dsl alias).  As was already mentioned, there are easy counters to every setup, including static parrying.  If nothing else, be happy with the fact that it's just as hard to kill an artied knight as it is for knights to kill an artied opponent.
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  • WessuxWessux ChattanoogaMember Posts: 510 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Most of the knights here aren't saying we should have more abilities, hell most of us have stated we are good to go. It's just a little frustrating the time it takes to get around good parriers. Most knights who fight me now can't even set me up in the ten minutes we have in the arena.

    And going into the thurisaz stack kill. Yeah, that can be rough, but its easy to just walk away from that. (shielding can stop it too) Anyone can do that without that artefact or the evade skill. But I'll tell you what's really hard to walk away from, backstab dstab delph combo. Talk about a great gank/kill combo for all those poor souls not always keeping metawake up at all hours of the day.

    Now we aren't saying we need an auto ignore parry thing. It's pretty cool that we've come up with like 12-15 ways around parry depending on prios and skill. Just cutting the time of a prep down a little wouldn't go amiss. But again we could survive without it.

    Oh, and killing an artied knight with most other classes setup is not hard. Unlike knight most of them are instakills, so we get the shaft on that too.

    Final words, knights are neither underpowered or over powered. But we work really hard for those setups that are "easily" dodged.
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  • WessuxWessux ChattanoogaMember Posts: 510 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited February 2014
    Wessux said:

    But goiit's along with my hardest class to get around parry point, we also have the least rewarding kill skill. Where others can just insta kill them we give the opponent a straight chance to live.

    Wessux said:

    I mean, when a Monk or Blademaster can set me up literally 3-4 times in the time it takes me to get one we kinda have a problem. In lower tier combat that can be extremely frustrating for the knight and some what demoralizing. In high tier combat it's just bloody annoying, sure I get out of their setups a few times, but they can dodge yours just as easily. But I have no solution to that other hold proud the fact that you work harder than other classes to kill people.

    naisar said:

    On the the monk v. knight situation - it gets disgusting when the monk's skill level gets high enough.  The tumble-cancel setup has no counterplay because you can bbt/mind command, and the monk can numb through the disembowel and kai heal out.  So you're left with a situation where the monk can execute one of the strongest setups in the game three times before the knight gets a weak one.  This is more of an issue with monk being stupid than Knight, however- I think the Knight balance is actually pretty good overall.


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  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,601 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I've never been a limb prep class. Staff strike was really fun until someone had a decent parry strategy and it took forever to get around it and prep a single limb. So having a partial bypass of some kind wouldn't be that bad. It just can't be a prone/entangle or anything that allows dsb too
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  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 4,052 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    1v1 you shouldn't really ever get disembowelled without legs broken unless you use something with a horrendously long balance like tumble or arc.

    That said enmesh is the dumbest shit ever, so let's have less rather than more of that.
    Wessux
  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Antonius said:
    1v1 you shouldn't really ever get disembowelled without legs broken unless you use something with a horrendously long balance like tumble or arc. That said enmesh is the dumbest shit ever, so let's have less rather than more of that.
    Ftfy.
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  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Seeing dragon lose enmesh might make me consider it a real class.  That and some attacks that aren't worthless.
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  • MishgulMishgul Sør-TrøndelagMember Posts: 5,305 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Well I want to suggest things but I also want to wait for the weaponry rework.

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  • SeftinSeftin Member Posts: 923 @ - Epic Achaean
    Mishgul said:
    Well I want to suggest things but I also want to wait for the weaponry rework.
    Carmain, we discussed this, they will not give you cat-apults - it's not Knightly. Nor will they give you Cat-anas. These are taken by Blademasters. And you can't have a puppy either.
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  • MishgulMishgul Sør-TrøndelagMember Posts: 5,305 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    :(

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  • RyukeRyuke Member Posts: 61 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Man, are any of you guys listening on the issue  with bypassing? Or just ignoring the fact that all bypasses are easily countered by moving parry, shield/rebounding/hindering in any other manner, while still saying that disembowel is an okay kill. Shitdicks  pay the fuck attention. I'd rather have to do dsb twice  like bbt instead of having to deal with he shitty momentum bypassing we currently have.
    IuneosMizik
  • ExelethrilExelethril moar theta decayMember Posts: 3,063 @@ - Legendary Achaean

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  • RyukeRyuke Member Posts: 61 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Eld said:
    That's a lot of rage for an 8-month-old thread.
    Not really rage. I'm a sailor and tone doesn't transfer through text. I was  just browsin  the forums at school between classes and went "do people read  the full posts or half a Sentence and decide to shit words from their fingers"? Just makes me a bit peeved when people read with their mouth instead  of their eyes.
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  • BukariinBukariin Member Posts: 438 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Hey guys let's resurrect every thread in forum history where anybody said something dumb and get mad about it
  • IuneosIuneos Member Posts: 77 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Ryuke said:
    Shitdicks  pay the fuck attention.
    lrn2english
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  • RyukeRyuke Member Posts: 61 ✭✭ - Stalwart
    Iuneos said:
    Ryuke said:
    Shitdicks  pay the fuck attention.
    lrn2english
    I believe you mean, "Learn to speak the english language."
    Iuneos
  • KenwayKenway San FranciscoMember Posts: 1,120 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I keep seeing new posts here hoping they'll be constructive topics. Stop disappointing me.

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  • SeftinSeftin Member Posts: 923 @ - Epic Achaean
    WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU GIVING ME NOTIFICATIONS ON THIS THREAD OMG STOP IT LETS JUST LEARN TO FORGIVE AND FORGET
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  • ExelethrilExelethril moar theta decayMember Posts: 3,063 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Knights are still pretty viable against most people, mainly outside the arena. I think most top-tier combatants don't play knights because of boringness.

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  • AtalkezAtalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,794 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I know all the tricks (or most) to not getting prepped and still die to damage in Mir with 5k health. That doesn't take away the parry bypass issue though.


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  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,975 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You can parry on the ground, healthtrans, and have mir. No excuse to ever die to a dsb.

    AerekWessux
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,794 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited October 2014
    I said damage not dsb. I have more issue with thuri stacks than anything else. There are things to stop all that damage but it is tough to fight against regardless (still learning though).


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  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,975 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Leave the room.

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