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  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    With balance and eq costs though, focusing in damage would mean probably less focus on affs. Granted, knights envenom their damage but if the skills are designed such that momentum for one approach means less momentum for other approaches, it's still balance.
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  • JacenJacen Member Posts: 2,177 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    You've veered away entirely from your initial argument though. You claimed that as long as the new skills didn't use an independent balance, they couldn't affect the balance of combat. Now you're saying that the new skills will need to be designed to be balanced with the other class skills in order to maintain combat balance, which is an obvious statement.
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  • SilasSilas Member Posts: 2,529 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Stop arguing class balance with Xith. Didn't you see his hilariously terrible ideas for magi buffs?

    DartegaXithJacenAelios
  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Jacen said:
    You've veered away entirely from your initial argument though. You claimed that as long as the new skills didn't use an independent balance, they couldn't affect the balance of combat. Now you're saying that the new skills will need to be designed to be balanced with the other class skills in order to maintain combat balance, which is an obvious statement.
    That's because someone before me said "You can't add a 3rd combat skill and keep it balanced". All I did was disagree on the basis we've just covered. How does a 15 post argument happen just because people can't read what I originally responded to?
    These forums sometimes...
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  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,713 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Your disagreeing was wrong. You have absolutely no concept of combat or balance and have proven it with your 5000 posts in these threads with absolutely ridiculous ideas that will never, ever get implemented because they are incredibly broken. Seriously, just give it up, everyone is tired of reading your shit.

    KafzielXithWessux
  • ValdenValden Member Posts: 544 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Cooper said:
    Your disagreeing was wrong. You have absolutely no concept of combat or balance and have proven it with your 5000 posts in these threads with absolutely ridiculous ideas that will never, ever get implemented because they are incredibly broken. Seriously, just give it up, everyone is tired of reading your shit.
    But he has pretty hair, that's got to count for something:

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    HhaosXith
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Turn Xith into a wall tapestry
    I agree with @Xith, give Blademasters absolve. It won't be unbalanced at all, I swear!
    LilianXithWessux
  • ShecksShecks Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    The faster they push them, the more holes they're going to have to read about, and fix.  And in the meantime, we'll have to deal with them.  I say take your time.
    "Ignore the boos.  They usually come from the cheap seats."
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited February 2014
    Turn Xith into a wall tapestry
    Shecks said:
    The faster they push them, the more holes they're going to have to read about, and fix.  And in the meantime, we'll have to deal with them.  I say take your time.
    Beta testing!
  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Cooper said:

    Your disagreeing was wrong. You have absolutely no concept of combat or balance and have proven it with your 5000 posts in these threads with absolutely ridiculous ideas that will never, ever get implemented because they are incredibly broken. Seriously, just give it up, everyone is tired of reading your shit.

    Cooper thinks knights can't have a 3rd combat skill. Better take notes, Nostradamus.
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  • DornDorn Member Posts: 100 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Xith said:
    Your disagreeing was wrong. You have absolutely no concept of combat or balance and have proven it with your 5000 posts in these threads with absolutely ridiculous ideas that will never, ever get implemented because they are incredibly broken. Seriously, just give it up, everyone is tired of reading your shit.
    Cooper thinks knights can't have a 3rd combat skill. Better take notes, Nostradamus.
    Actually, based on what he's actually typing and not the words you're putting in his mouth (at his fingers? IDFK), he thinks that you shouldn't be writing combat proposals.

    Whether or not I agree with him (I kind of don't, but more because bad ideas can be refined, you can't refine a lack of ideas), it's Not Cool(tm) to twist people's words, m'kay?

    (Words twisted in hilarious ways in five, four, three...)
    Aerek
  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    With an impending weaponry change, and the re-work of forging as a trade skill, it's really not a great idea to be discussing extra knight skills anyways. It's frustrating, but you're probably better off waiting and seeing what the admins introduce, before writing up threads about things that are probably going to change soonish anyways. Specially since you're talking about a whole skill (which I doubt anyone could come up with in a way that wouldn't require hours of looking-at and finagling to get right, even if they -were- very familiar with every aspect of Achaean combat).
  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Person 1: knights can't have a 3rd combat skill and be balanced.
    Xith: yes they can.
    Cooper: Xith was wrong to disagree.

    So yeah, pretty sure cooper's wrong. Or didn't understand what I was actually arguing. But still wrong. Which is okay to admit. It happens even to "experts".
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
    Jacen
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,087 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited February 2014
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    He disagreed with your premise for disagreeing with person 1. Not the sheer fact that you disagreed.

    or hey, maybe he really does disagree that a 3rd combat skill for Knights would be imbalanced. That seems more unlikely though.
  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    My comments were never wrong. I said that balance is easy to facilitate. Fakziel said something stupid about giving knights bbt and somehow everyone thought that's what I meant.

    It's like arguing that adding puppetry would make jesters (who can kill with the first two skills also) unbalanced. That was all I implied.
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
    Jacen
  • BlujixapugBlujixapug Member Posts: 1,795 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Anedhel said:
    With an impending weaponry change, and the re-work of forging as a trade skill, it's really not a great idea to be discussing extra knight skills anyways. It's frustrating, but you're probably better off waiting and seeing what the admins introduce, before writing up threads about things that are probably going to change soonish anyways. Specially since you're talking about a whole skill (which I doubt anyone could come up with in a way that wouldn't require hours of looking-at and finagling to get right, even if they -were- very familiar with every aspect of Achaean combat).
    I don't know. Worst case, people have fun discussing classes and throwing around some zany ideas, even if those ideas go nowhere. Best case, maybe the admins find some of those ideas usable, or take inspiration from them, or find the perspectives offered to be useful.

    I guess the actual worst case would be a thread full of people bickering and posting nothing of substance, but that hardly bears mentioning.
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    XithNim
  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Anedhel said:
    With an impending weaponry change, and the re-work of forging as a trade skill, it's really not a great idea to be discussing extra knight skills anyways. It's frustrating, but you're probably better off waiting and seeing what the admins introduce, before writing up threads about things that are probably going to change soonish anyways. Specially since you're talking about a whole skill (which I doubt anyone could come up with in a way that wouldn't require hours of looking-at and finagling to get right, even if they -were- very familiar with every aspect of Achaean combat).
    I don't know. Worst case, people have fun discussing classes and throwing around some zany ideas, even if those ideas go nowhere. Best case, maybe the admins find some of those ideas usable, or take inspiration from them, or find the perspectives offered to be useful.

    I guess the actual worst case would be a thread full of people bickering and posting nothing of substance, but that hardly bears mentioning.
    Would suck if we lived in a world like that, agreed.
  • JacenJacen Member Posts: 2,177 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Xith said:
    Shecks said:
    Just saying, knights have always been a 2-skill class, just as dragoncraft is a 1-skill class.  A third skillset with literally anything that affected combat in it would be too much.
    If it had its own balance, maybe, but if it was its own set of attacks that couldn't be  used simultaneously it has no effect on combat.


    You used a very polarized statement as the basis of your disagreement with Sheck's polarized statement. You're both wrong, on opposite ends of the spectrum. Cooper isn't disagreeing with the fact that you disagreed, but the reasoning behind your disagreement.
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  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Jacen, buddy. Simultaneously means at the same time, like humor + eq or voice + balance or even hypno while off balance. So yeah if you let knights entangle on its own balance, that would offbalance. Do you really think I was suggesting the admins would add something unbalanced like that? Because my post said it would not unbalance combat to add more skills that operate on eq and balance.

    Again, how do we know this? Cause it's going to happen. Debating under the assumption that I'm talking about things I was never talking about, no matter how big your font size is, is inane.
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • KuyKuy Member Posts: 1,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Xith said:
    Jacen, buddy. Simultaneously means at the same time, like humor + eq or voice + balance or even hypno while off balance. So yeah if you let knights entangle on its own balance, that would offbalance. Do you really think I was suggesting the admins would add something unbalanced like that? Because my post said it would not unbalance combat to add more skills that operate on eq and balance.

    Again, how do we know this? Cause it's going to happen. Debating under the assumption that I'm talking about things I was never talking about, no matter how big your font size is, is inane.
    Okay, fine.

    Let's replace Enchanting with Woodlore for Magi.  Since it's not unbalanced because Elementalism/Crystalism use Balance/EQ, and Woodlore uses Balance/EQ, and you can't use skills from either simultaneously, it won't be unbalanced at all!

    This is your argument.  This is the kind of thing your argument can lead to.  This is a great example of why your argument is bad.

    Before you go all crazy on form hate, yadda yadda, I have no opinion of you as a character or a person.

    I do, however, have an opinion on your grievous misuse of logic.
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  • KafzielKafziel Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    edited February 2014
    Xith said:
    My comments were never wrong. I said that balance is easy to facilitate. Fakziel said something stupid about giving knights bbt and somehow everyone thought that's what I meant. It's like arguing that adding puppetry would make jesters (who can kill with the first two skills also) unbalanced. That was all I implied.
    a·nal·o·gy
    əˈnaləjē/
    noun
    noun: analogy; plural noun: analogies
    1.
    a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
    "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"

    You're welcome. Let me know if I can help you further.
    Xith
  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Oh my gosh guys. So sorry I didn't specify that you shouldn't add stupid and unbalanced things in order to create a balanced 3rd skillset. Glad we cleared that up. All A are B but not all B are A. Just in case anyone thought Magi were getting Woodlore. Phew. Talk about a mass panic.
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Xith said:
    Jacen, buddy. Simultaneously means at the same time, like humor + eq or voice + balance or even hypno while off balance. So yeah if you let knights entangle on its own balance, that would offbalance. Do you really think I was suggesting the admins would add something unbalanced like that? Because my post said it would not unbalance combat to add more skills that operate on eq and balance.

    Again, how do we know this? Cause it's going to happen. Debating under the assumption that I'm talking about things I was never talking about, no matter how big your font size is, is inane.
    No one thinks you're suggesting that giving knights an entangle on its own balance would be fine. They're just pointing out that your statement that giving them new abilities that only use balance and equilibrium could not possibly affect combat balance is absurd.
    XithKuy
  • XithXith Member Posts: 2,588 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    Xith said:
    Shecks said:
    Just saying, knights have always been a 2-skill class, just as dragoncraft is a 1-skill class.  A third skillset with literally anything that affected combat in it would be too much.
    If it had its own balance, maybe, but if it was its own set of attacks that couldn't be  used simultaneously it has no effect on combat. As long as those skills make sense to add.

    ftfy. lol...
    I like my steak like I like my Magic cards: mythic rare.
  • AnedhelAnedhel Member Posts: 2,367 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Not sure if trolling or you really don't get it. Either way, what a waste of time.
    Xith
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,087 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A unique knight skill for Infernal, Paladin, and Runewarden
    He just admitted he was wrong.
    Xith
  • NimNim Member Posts: 2,015 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Turn Xith into a wall tapestry
    Does this mean blademasters aren't getting absolve? :(
    CooperWessux
  • KuyKuy Member Posts: 1,497 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Yea.  I'm just gonna nope the fuck out of here before I lose any more hope that this conversation could turn into something meaningful in the slightest.

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  • LilianLilian Member Posts: 369 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Nim said:
    Does this mean blademasters aren't getting absolve? :(
    Shin Burst

    At 100 shin and when the unlucky foe is at 0 mana, you release an overwhelming burst of shin capable of tearing apart your foe.

    With a small smirk you gather your hands in front of your chest and begin to focus your shin energy between your hands, rapidly shaping  the energy into a sphere. Before Nim realizes what is dawning, a loud screech resounds through the air as the energy becomes increasingly violate. With a thrust of your palms you shove the sphere of shin into Nim's chest, the energy wreaking havoc her body as she is torn asunder by the violent energies.

    Cmon we know Shin burst has been so useless and it NEEDS TO DO THIS..

    noitdoesn't
    EldNimDartega
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