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  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Did a bit of testing of blademaster and dragon battlerage, mainly checking to see whether either damage or rage gain are affected by stances or bands. Turns out damage is not, and rage gain is. Not sure if anyone has posted damage numbers for various battlerage attacks anywhere, but I couldn't find any, so here's mine:

    Blademaster:
    Leapstrike 437
    Spinslash 1420
    Headstrike 327 (unboosted)

    Red Dragon:
    Overwhelm 583
    Dragonblaze 1721 (total over 4 hits)
    Flamebath 327 (unboosted)

    Wasn't able to test the damage boost for headstrike and flamebath, but the fact that they're the same suggests that that type of attack might have standardized damage. Does anyone know if that's the case, and if so, what the boost is?

    For rage gain, I just whacked a practice dummy a bunch of times and recorded the rage gain for each hit and the balance time for that attack, and calculated the rate as the mean gain over the mean balance time.  Numbers:


    Arash 
    Avg gain: 3.761 +/- 0.011
    Avg balance: 1.849 +/- 0.005
    Avg rate: 2.034 +/- 0.006

    Sanya
    Avg gain: 3.950 +/- 0.014
    Avg balance: 1.943 +/- 0.005
    Avg rate: 2.033 +/- 0.006

    Mir
    Avg gain: 4.983 +/- 0.017
    Avg balance: 2.450 +/- 0.006
    Avg rate: 2.034 +/- 0.006

    Thyr
    Avg gain: 3.564 +/- 0.015
    Avg balance: 1.753 +/- 0.006
    Avg rate: 2.033 +/- 0.008

    No band:

    Sanya
    Avg gain: 4.530 +/- 0.023
    Avg balance: 2.232 +/- 0.006
    Avg rate: 2.030 +/- 0.008

    Mir
    Avg gain: 5.547 +/- 0.029
    Avg balance: 2.754 +/- 0.008
    Avg rate: 2.014 +/- 0.008

    Thyr
    Avg gain: 4.120 +/- 0.019
    Avg balance: 2.062 +/- 0.009
    Avg rate: 1.998 +/- 0.009
    So rage gain is definitely adjusted to account for both stance and band, although it looks like there may end up being a little bit of an overall bonus for the band. Some of the numbers for the unbanded case look a little wonky, though, so I might double check them.
    Sena
  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 3,839 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Rage gain is just strictly dependent on the balance time of the attack, so anything that affects that will affect the raw rage gain per attack (but not the overall rate at which rage is gained).
  • EldEld Member Posts: 3,946 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Antonius said:
    Rage gain is just strictly dependent on the balance time of the attack, so anything that affects that will affect the raw rage gain per attack (but not the overall rate at which rage is gained).
    Yeah, that was my assumption, and the testing was mainly just to verify as much, which it basically did. But I could easily imagine there being some rounding effects in the adjustments to the raw gain that would result in the sort of ~1% level differences I seem to be seeing in the rates. Even if they're real, these aren't big enough differences to care about in terms of actual gameplay, just the kind of little details that I like to poke at for potential insight into the underlying calculations.
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    So, I have most of the weekend free. What aspects of the new class would people like me to test first?

    Things that I can test on my own without help (also without artefacts) will get done much faster.
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,724 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Here's my personal list of stuff on Terminus I want to figure out.

    Terminus:

    - Hunting

    Trusad - how much does it raise crits?

    Tsuura - how much damage resist vs. denizens?

    - Longevity

    Ukhia - what is the % chance to remove clot willpower cost?

    Qamad - what is the willpower regeneration boost?

    Fliennad - does it only affect tree, or will it make your moss and boar work instantly too?

    - Augmentation

    Mainaad - how much is the damage boost? Does it stack in a weird way with the artie scythe?

    Balateth - how much is the speed boost?

    Tah'maal - how much fire resistance? How much does it reduce cooldown of rebirth?

    Mainaas - how much cutting/blunt resist? Does it stack in a weird way with the Tsuura reduction from denizens only?

    - Conquest

    Tooros - how much does int/collar affect the damage?

    Trointeth - how lon does it disrupt shrines?

    Lament - how long does this last? If I use lament and someone kills 20 people, do they really gain 20 stats?

    Environmental -

    Bahar - does it work in room too?

  • BorranBorran Member Posts: 845 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    How strong is Bahar in terms of other ranged attacks? Does anyone know? 

  • NevrenNevren Member Posts: 32
    What damage type are the scythe attacks if they aren't cutting?

    Aka will +magic damage arti be viable? 
  • TydasTydas Member Posts: 232 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Nevren said:
    What damage type are the scythe attacks if they aren't cutting?

    Aka will +magic damage arti be viable? 
    They appear to be psychic.
  • NevrenNevren Member Posts: 32
    Awesome, thanks! 
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    A few bits of information:
    Cloak reduces blunt damage by 14%, not sure yet if it's the same for other damage types, or what damage types it applies to.
    Tsuura seems to be a 7.5% damage reduction.

    Maximum message length on intone is around 50 characters (somewhere from 48 to 53). It still takes mana and wp if it fails, but not eq.

    Ascend takes 2.3s eq.
    MelodieTydas
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mainaas is 5% resistance. Kind of underwhelming for a tier 5 ability, but then again there are already a lot of other resistances to stack up.
    Tydas
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Mainaad and Balateth (damage and speed) both seem to be 5% bonuses.
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2016
    Cull and Reap have nearly identical DPS (it looks like reap may be ~2-3% lower), so reap is usually better overall for the faster balance.

    While Laiad is active though, it's better to use cull instead, because it fits the duration better (you have time for 5 reaps or 4 culls, the 4 culls have higher total damage).
  • BorranBorran Member Posts: 845 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Is there a limit to the amount you can age yourself? It seems to be a limitless resource, except that at certain points, I can no longer Boost abilities. Is this intended? 

  • ShirszaeShirszae Caer WitrinMember Posts: 2,656 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Certain abilities have a limit. Loop for example requires you to be under 250 extra years.

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  • KryptonKrypton shi-KhurenaMember Posts: 1,701 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    The limit is basically 1000 years.
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  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    edited November 2016
    It's impossible to boost an ability if it would bring you above 1000 years of added age. You can't use loop if you're already above 250. And the higher your age, the less effective distortion is.

    It is possible to go above 1000 years, by using unboosted shift (which adds 300 years even when unboosted).
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Preliminary tests suggest a 1% crit bonus for Trusad. Currently at 299/1621 (18.4454%) compared to an expected crit rate at 81 of 17.5616%.

  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I've been hitting this dummy for a few hours now, I think I'm going to call this good enough. 1293/7000 (18.4714%) crit rate compared to an expected 17.5616%, the bonus is probably roughly 1% (half as effective as a L1 pendant).
    MelodieTydasZahan
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    By default, cloak doesn't give fire resist (I was hoping it was a universal resist like scales/algiz, sadly it's not), when augmented it gives 10% fire resistance.

    With that, I think Hunting and Augmentation are fully tested, so it's time to respec (Longevity and Conquest are all that's left from Cooper's questions, so I'll probably do that).
    BrenanZahan
  • SenaSena Member Posts: 3,730 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Haste in Aeonics takes 3.9s eq, and lasts 8s unboosted, 10s boosted. It gives the target(s) a 15% balance reduction.

    I was hoping it would be useful for group bashing, like canticle, but the only bashing use I can see is for a lower level depthswalker to provide support when they're being led on a bashing trip by someone stronger. I suppose it could also be helpful if you're in a large group, so 10-15% of everyone else's offence is worth more than half of yours.
    Zahan
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,724 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    For anyone interested in crits from someone who had luckbinder, lucky sip, level 3 crit pendant, level 100+, and lily crit bonus...

    Total hits:         2467
    Total crits:        1464
    Total crit-rate:    59.343


    Statistics:
    critical:            585  [ 39.959  ]  - 4 hits ago!
    crushing:            350  [ 23.907  ]  - 34 hits ago!
    obliterating:        218  [ 14.891  ]  - 9 hits ago!
    annihilating:        123  [ 8.402   ]  - 7 hits ago!
    world-shattering:    188  [ 12.842  ]  - 1 hits ago!

    SenaTaryiusKoganSarathai
  • KoganKogan Member Posts: 110 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Cooper said:

    Total crit-rate:    59.343
    With a crit rate like that I'd be willing to take my chances on a rufescent paragon.
  • SarathaiSarathai Member Posts: 2,121 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Cooper said:
    For anyone interested in crits from someone who had luckbinder, lucky sip, level 3 crit pendant, level 100+, and lily crit bonus...

    Total hits:         2467
    Total crits:        1464
    Total crit-rate:    59.343


    Statistics:
    critical:            585  [ 39.959  ]  - 4 hits ago!
    crushing:            350  [ 23.907  ]  - 34 hits ago!
    obliterating:        218  [ 14.891  ]  - 9 hits ago!
    annihilating:        123  [ 8.402   ]  - 7 hits ago!
    world-shattering:    188  [ 12.842  ]  - 1 hits ago!
    No paragon boosts?
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  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,724 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Nope.

    If they removed the goldcap I'd buy them all, but no point now. 

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