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  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 3,966 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Admittedly it's early in the morning, but I'm not seeing how prioritising mending over restoration gets you standing faster, especially if they're using epteth with the leg breaks.
  • ArmaliArmali Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 611 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    The important thing here is that heartseed takes so long to kill that they need to time it on a resto application. It doesn't matter if you apply mending after the first resto finishes because they need to wait until the second resto to heartseed in the first place. If they heartseed on the mending, you just cure it trivially.
  • AntoniusAntonius Member Posts: 3,966 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Ok, so you two were talking about two different - but related - things. Your comment made no sense in the context of "how to stand up in time to shield to avoid heartseed into torso break" (i.e. Ryzeth's post), but makes perfect sense in the context of "how to avoid heartseed".
  • ArmaliArmali Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 611 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    It applies to both. Ryzeth's calculation assumes that you need an additional mending application before you can stand, which means the Sylvan can break you while prone. I'm saying, no, you don't need to, you can take care of the excess mending application before restoring the other leg, so that when it finishes, you can stand immediately.
  • RangorRangor Member Posts: 2,807 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Do I need to add epseth envenoming to my thornrend alias as well? As if prone tracking wasn't enough! (I actually do already have prone tracking, as shown very prettily on my prompt)
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  • FarrahFarrah Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 1,197 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Antonius said:
    Ok, so you two were talking about two different - but related - things. Your comment made no sense in the context of "how to stand up in time to shield to avoid heartseed into torso break" (i.e. Ryzeth's post), but makes perfect sense in the context of "how to avoid heartseed".

    It lets you stand faster relative to the heartseed since the heartseed comes after resto no matter what.

    Leg break/apply
    Leg break
    Apply mending
    Apply resto
    Heartseed
    Apply mending/stand (before torso break)

    Vs Ryzeth's


    Leg break/apply
    Leg break
    Apply resto
    Heartseed
    Apply mending (still one crippled leg)
    Torso break before stand
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,119 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    So my implication was correct. That's all we need to gather from the past page. Not that this is new, pretty there's a thread with the same conclusion from like 2 years featuring Ernam. Long may he rest.
  • RangorRangor Member Posts: 2,807 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Touch tree noobs
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  • RyzethRyzeth Member Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Jovolo said:
    So my implication was correct. That's all we need to gather from the past page. Not that this is new, pretty there's a thread with the same conclusion from like 2 years featuring Ernam. Long may he rest.
    He logged in the other day for like 2-3 hours. Seen him a couple times recently.
  • LyaliaLyalia Member Posts: 8
    Still learning, but...
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/3s7Z2DyM

    Need to get a better handle on managing my mana versus people who do a lot of health damage.

  • ZenithZenith Member Posts: 10
    Parry parry parry parry parry.

    At least (I think?) that's the one log that doesn't have me rebounding onto myself! Was a fun set of duels. 
  • ExelethrilExelethril moar theta decayMember Posts: 2,996 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Parry comes from the french verb "parer", which means to block.

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  • DochithaDochitha Member Posts: 932 ✭✭✭✭✭ - Grand Achaean
    Lyalia said:
    Still learning, but...
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/3s7Z2DyM

    Need to get a better handle on managing my mana versus people who do a lot of health damage.

    Very nice colors on the prompt. Which system you are using, or bespoke?
  • KalilaKalila Member Posts: 86 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Zenith said:
    Parry parry parry parry parry.

    At least (I think?) that's the one log that doesn't have me rebounding onto myself! Was a fun set of duels. 
    I really dig your prompt and highlights too, though my those timestamps are distracting.

    As curious as Dochitha here :)
  • LyaliaLyalia Member Posts: 8
    Dochitha said:
    Very nice colors on the prompt. Which system you are using, or bespoke?
    I got an edited version of wundersys that's like 8 months out of date... Been working through all the classleads to bring it properly up to date. Also further edited it a ton to match what I want/like.
  • KalilaKalila Member Posts: 86 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
  • ArmaliArmali Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 611 ✭✭✭✭ - Eminent
    Learn to fight in dragon. I'd never go up against a skilled, artied DWB in lesser. Even if you could pressure them from getting eight mo., unless you're super tanky they could go for a low momentum mangle lock.

    If you HAVE to fight in lesser, I'd probably stick with degen to maximize hinder from clumsiness/weariness/paralysis. Stick clumsiness/weariness, timeloop-degen for para/loop until one sticks, then curare leach or loop leach until you get the shadow. Swap back to degen at this point, use HI if you have it to time a mutilate.
    Dochitha
  • KeorinKeorin Member Posts: 312 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Doesn't even require a skilled dwb if they can mangle like that, unless you can block them from getting 3 momentum at any point.

    I'm still annoyed my classlead on that got approved and then never went anywhere. 
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,911 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    That's what happens when a fully level 3 artied person goes up against an unartied low health person. Not the most fun thing, but it's a damage class - you're gonna have a bad time if you're lower level/con against massively artied people geared for strength.

    Dochitha
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,727 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    5.2k health died in 7 hits.

    Dont feel bad, 7.2k health I die in 8-9.

    I think the break > mangle on next whirl has to go. It's way too much prone time for a class that already has the most guaranteed kill sequence in the game.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,119 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Low health, kek. The guy got mangled in 4 hits with over 5k health. That's obscene.
  • CooperCooper Member Posts: 3,911 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Oh, I don't know why I thought Kalila's max was like 3.6k. Might have confused my logs. 

    Jovolo
  • KalilaKalila Member Posts: 86 ✭✭✭ - Distinguished
    Cooper said:
    Oh, I don't know why I thought Kalila's max was like 3.6k. Might have confused my logs. 
    I got dragon since then. I still have no defensive artefacts though, besides a SoA now.

    All specced into con, to try to survive silliness like this, but to no avail :dissapointed:
    Mathilda
  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,119 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    You need to step up your max health bug exploit game.

    Does gem of negation still cure all states of limb damage including prior to the limb break itself? Asking for a friend
  • AtalkezAtalkez Member, Secret Squirrel Posts: 3,727 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    I don't believe so, but unsure. Could have abused reflect to force his first hit to miss, which would have let you stand before the mangle came in.


    You hug Aurora compassionately.
  • KenwayKenway San FranciscoMember Posts: 1,120 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Kalila said:
    Be bard! Trueparry left!

    - Limb Counter - Fracture Relapsing -
    "Honestly, I just love that it counts limbs." - Mizik Corten
  • ExelethrilExelethril moar theta decayMember Posts: 2,996 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    DWB is probably hard to balance, the lack of hinder (which gets you destroyed by a majority of momentum classes if you get poor rng) is compensated for by the playstyle being skewed heavily towards fast breaks and damage, which destroys non-artied people harder than most classes otherwise would.

    I mean, if you were to place the two extremes against each other - a heavily artied occie with auto-follow vs an artied DWB, I think the occie would win 80% of the time because of clumsiness/lethargy/hierophant hecate speed/DWB momentum necessity but if the occie wasn't artied, it's a different story. It's a P2W problem 

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  • JovoloJovolo EnglandMember Posts: 3,119 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Could all of DWB use a rework? It was my least favourite during the design process and after release it's the most uninspired and least creative/interesting Knight Spec imo. Maybe back to the drawing board
  • DaeirDaeir AustraliaMember, Secret Squirrel Posts: 6,041 @@ - Legendary Achaean
    Random thought, wonder of gem of negation severs Shaman attunements. Hmmm.
    :pleased::pleased:
  • LlesveltLlesvelt Member Posts: 15
    Apostate VS Runewarden
    Very long fight with him constantly running around and seemingly me unable to stop him from mount jumping over runewarden stone walls into runes over and over and over again as my stack progressed. Any tips on how to combat this? Thanks
    https://ada-young.appspot.com/pastebin/rpskS2eI
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